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NEIL: ALL RIGHT FORGET ABOUT THE

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NEIL: ALL RIGHT FORGET ABOUT THE

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DRAMA ON CAPITOL HILL OVER

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HOW LONG TO CONTINUE THOSE

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GENEROUS FEDERAL

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UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS.

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HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE FRAUD

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AROUND THEM THAT’S

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RIGHT THERE HAS BEEN FRAUD AND

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APPARENTLY A LOT MORE THAN WE

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EARLIER THOUGHT, EDWARD LAWRENCE

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ON THAT.

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WHAT’S GOING ON HERE?

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>> REPORTER: YEAH, WELL WHEN YOU

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PUSH $2.3 TRILLION INTO THE CARE

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S ACT INTO THE ECONOMY

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CRIMINALS EYES LIT UP AND NOW WE

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HAVE THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS

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REPORTING A RISE IN THE

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UNEMPLOYMENT FRAUD BASED ON

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THE EXTRA BENEFITS OF $600 A

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WEEK THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

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PUT INTO THOSE STATE BENEFITS

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AND THE STATE OF WASHINGTON IS

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SAYING THAT THEY’VE PAID OUT 550

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TO $650 MILLION IN FRAUDULENT

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UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS, LAW

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ENFORCEMENT NOW HAS BEEN ABLE TO

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GET BACK 330 MILLION OF THAT,

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BUT THAT LEAVES A QUARTER OF A

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BILLION DOLLARS BASICALLY IN THE

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HANDS OF CRIMINALS IN ONE

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STATE ALONE.

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RHODE ISLAND, FLORIDA, MARYLAND,

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SEEING SAME SCANS AND THAT LIST

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WILL GROW.

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NOW, BRUCE STABINSKI WAS THE

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GOVERNMENT’S FORENSIC

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ACCOUNTANT IN THE CASE AGAINST

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BERNIE MADOFF AND HE THINKS THE

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LURE OF FREE MONEY IS TOO

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GREAT.

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>>  IT’S A TOTAL NUMBERS GAME IF

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THEY FILE 1,000, 2,000, 3,000

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FRAUDULENT CLAIMS, AND SAY

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100 MAKE IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM,

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THAT’S BIG MONEY.

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THEY JUST WON THE LOTTERY ON

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THAT, AND THAT’S WITH ONE STATE.

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NOW THEY WILL GO DO IT WITH

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ANOTHER STATE AND ANOTHER STATE

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BECAUSE THE STATES DON’T TALK TO

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EACH OTHER.

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>> REPORTER: CRIMINALS COULD

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JUST USE THE SAME INFORMATION

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FOR THAT AND THE STATE OF

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MARYLAND FOUND A FRAUDULENT

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WEBSITE OFFERING TO HELP PEOPLE

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WITH UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS BUT

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ALL IT DID WAS COLLECT PERSONAL

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INFORMATION TO FILE FOR FRAUD

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AND SINCE THE WEEK ENDING MARCH

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21, 44.7 MILLION PEOPLE

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HAVE FILED NEW UNEMPLOYMENT

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CLAIMS, AND SEEING STATES ARE

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OVERWHELMED BY THOSE NUMBERS.

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>>  MANY OF THEM DATE BACK TO

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THE 80S WHEN THEY WERE WRITTEN

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ON MAINFRAMES AND HAVE NOT BEEN

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UPDATED TO CURRENT PROTOCOLS, SO

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WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO

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EXPLORE THE SYSTEM AS A FRAUDSTE

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R, YOU LOOK FOR THOSE

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WEAKNESSES AND THIS IS

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THE PERFECT STORM.

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THIS IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE

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COMING TOGETHER, CONTROLS ARE

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DOWN, AND SOME EXISTENCE

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CONTROLS NEVER REALLY EVEN

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EXISTED AND THE FRAUDSTERS ARE

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SIMPLY EXPLOITING THAT.

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>> REPORTER: AND DUBINSKY THINKS

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IT’S VERY MOMENT IT GETS SOME OF

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THAT MONEY BACK, FOR HIM THE

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SOLUTION IS UPGRADING

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TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO UPGRADING

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TRAINING, BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE A

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COMPUTER SYSTEM COULD JUST LOOK

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FOR THE SAME NUMBER, PHONE

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NUMBER, ON THOUSANDS OF FILINGS,

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BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS WOULD WANT

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THEM TO CALL THE CRIMINAL NOT

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THE PERSON ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO

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THAT PERSONAL INFORMATION.

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BACK TO YOU, NEIL.

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NEIL: YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE

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A SPECIAL CORNER IN HELL TO BE

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THE PERSON WHO DOES THAT, YOU

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KNOW?

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I MEAN, TO DO THAT?

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>>  ESPECIALLY FOR THE FOLKS WHO

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ACTUALLY, YEAH, TO TAKE THAT

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AWAY.

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NEIL: ABSOLUTELY.

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YEAH, I DON’T KNOW.

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THERE’S A DAY OF RECKONING MY